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good morning thank you for joining us

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here at nasa's kennedy space center in

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florida for space shuttle endeavors

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sts-134 pre-launch news conference

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joining us today is mike moses the chair

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of the mission management team and the

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space shuttle program launch integration

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manager good morning

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mike einbach shuttle launch director

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good morning

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and kathy winters shuttle weather

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officer good morning

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we'll hear from our panelists and we'll

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take questions mr moses thanks kendra

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well good morning everybody

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we had our mission management team

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meeting this morning

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standard standard meeting on launch

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minus two days just to review our status

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and see where we're at everything in

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great shape very short meeting

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teams all pulled ready to go and proceed

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with the countdown

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and we're actually in countdown mike

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will give you a status of that here in

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just a second

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we talked about the the weather

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talked a little bit about the the

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systems to make sure all the elements

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are ready to support

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over on the space station side uh the 42

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progress launch occurred this morning

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right about the same time we were having

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our meeting they're now successfully in

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orbit arrays are deployed and the

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checkouts are looking good so they had a

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good post insertion so that mission's

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underway um that is a

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kind of a soft constraint for us we want

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to make sure they got launched and get

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docked okay in two days

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they'll be docking about the same time

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we finish up tanking on friday

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and so if they run into some unexpected

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problem we'll have to talk about that on

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launch day but so that was a good

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milestone for the station program and

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for our russian colleagues to have that

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mission successfully in orbit

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um and other than that we didn't talk

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much at all a little bit about the the

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potential visit from the president to

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make sure we understand the logistics

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and any impacts to our teams we have

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folks

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both on the air force side and on our

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side working that pretty well

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and understand those impacts and it

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should be fairly

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fairly benign to us uh other than uh the

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amount of entourage that comes with a uh

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the president and aircraft arriving late

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to the to the launch center but i think

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we have good plans to handle that um

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we talked just a little bit uh with our

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propulsion elements you know to kind of

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go through some history uh for the

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external tank this is et122 which was

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actually we're kind of flying it out of

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order it was manufactured a long time

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ago back before the columbia accident um

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went through uh hurricane katrina got

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some damage had to be fixed um got the

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modifications that we put on all the

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tanks for return to flight um and and

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has come through and flying colors but

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if you take a look at it out the pad it

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looks a little more suntan than than

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other tanks because it the uv uh makes

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that orange foam insulation turn a

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little darker so it's a it's a darker

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tank and it's got some repair spots on

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it but it is in more than good shape to

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fly and we're more than ready to fly

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et-122

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in our solid rocket boosters

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a good testament to the reusability of

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the program we're flying elements on

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this stack as well as on the next stack

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that flew on sts-1 so some of these

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components are from original build

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hardware that we use the solid rocket

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booster so that's really a good

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testament to that team and the work they

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do to turn those those pieces of

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hardware around and refly them

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the main engines

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are as usual in fantastic shape and

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ready to go those things have been

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as the workhorses they truly are

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and fully expect everything to be on

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friday ready to go again and the orbiter

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itself endeavors in great shape um

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i i would say we're probably not working

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any issues at all there's a couple

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things that are keeping the team working

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but they're they're in the minor

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minor category nothing really that needs

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we had an easy pull to say we're ready

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to go we're looking forward to friday's

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okay well thanks well the countdown for

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endeavour's final mission is going

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extremely well the launch pad right now

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in preparation for loading the cryogenic

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fuels for the fuel cell system that'll

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begin at about 11 30 today and we'll get

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back into the pad shortly after dinner

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time tonight and continue preparations

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for friday's launch

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again we're not working any significant

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issues at all the team is upbeat talk to

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the fire room this morning and they're

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all excited about about the mission

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about the countdown the mission

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and uh the president showing up and and

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so we're we're dealing with that that's

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a little bit of a challenge for us but

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the team is not distracted by that we

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have a we have a few people working

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those details as mike said so no big

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deal from the from the team's

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perspective relative to the president's

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visit um we're in great shape we're

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ready to go and right now we're looking

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forward to an on time launch uh when

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okay and the weather is looking good for

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launch we're expecting some weather

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afternoon thunderstorms and also

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into the area and that's going to give

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and into the evening hours by launch day

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the front's going to move through and

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the weather is looking very favorable

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i'm going to go ahead and i'd like to

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can see that there's a front that is

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moving into the southeastern u.s that's

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tomorrow and that's what's going to give

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evening but that weather will continue

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to move on it's not going to linger in

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the area we're just going to get some

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thunderstorms late in the afternoon and

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storms could be strong but as after they

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looking pretty nice

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so for now right now we're looking at

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the only concern being a crosswind as

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with that we have a 20 chance of ksc

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is a chance for showers at both zaragoza

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and maroon but estrus is looking good if

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have more of a crosswind concern a high

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north and the winds shift around more

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easterly so with that we have a 30

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looking good although there is a front

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that's moving through

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both zaragoza and marone that's going to

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cause some showers in those areas again

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and then finally if we happen to delay

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improves a bit more when it comes to the

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winds they shift around more to the

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southeast and that's more up the runway

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and so with that back down to a 20

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better on day three although there's

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still a chance for showers in the area

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of zaragoza and maroon but again estrus

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thank you we'll now take questions when

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a microphone comes your way please state

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your name affiliation and to whom you're

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addressing your question we start over

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here with mark

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hi i'm mark kirkman interspace news a

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couple questions you might have said it

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uh kathy but tomorrow evening for rss

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rollback is whether going to be a player

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yes we are expecting thunderstorms in

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the area there's a front that's going to

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be moving through

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florida tomorrow and as it approaches

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our area we're expecting to not only

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warm moist atmosphere ahead of the front

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afternoon sea breeze with some added

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convergence in the area we do expect to

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see thunderstorm activity um so we do

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have to have a 20 chance or less of

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real time and when we can get clear of

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the weather then we'll uh you know we'll

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give the forecast when we can all right

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and then i guess uh for either mike's

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i'm not sure who can take which question

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um if whether is a player for pr or for

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rss rollback uh is a constraint to

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coming out what's your main how long can

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you delay it before you have some

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constraint against that and then i hope

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you don't think this is a goofy question

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but for air force one um so as not to

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foul up the rtls runway does he have to

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go down to the skid strip or will it be

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landing at the slf

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let's see relative to the the rss

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retract we have a good four or five

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before we start getting into a time

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crunch after rss retract so really no

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big issue there i think kathy's weather

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will clear more quickly than that so the

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team will work with that

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and we've been we've delayed rss four

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and and made tanking on time so that

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that really shouldn't be a problem for

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and relative to the to the president you

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know there's a lot of point a lot of

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things you learn when you when you deal

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one is never quite sure what the final

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plan is until it's done

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so we're not quite sure what all the

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final plans are the times of that type

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of thing and uh we've deconflicted

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different options depending where he

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goes and and so we have good plans in

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place both ways and we'll see how it

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yeah the the wrap up summary though

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the teams are talking so we will not

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impact launch operations right so both

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in terms of rtls and any of the

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activities we need out on the range side

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or anything like that so we don't know

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what the final plans exactly are but

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they're going to deconflict themselves

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from our operations

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jane

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james dean with florida today um mike

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moses can you speak a little bit to the

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ups and downs that ams has gone through

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over the years and you know how has it

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gone from uh

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a payload that didn't have a flight a

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couple years ago to one with such high

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expectations now

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yeah no i talked to that team a while

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back uh last week when they were out in

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the payload bay doing some checks and

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and they're they're excited to be

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finally ready to go in orbit you know we

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flew them as a payload

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in the payload bay uh a while back but

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it's been about 17 years i think that

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these teams have kind of been together

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working on that on that payload so uh

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they're very excited to to get going you

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know we talked about it with the hubble

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team too i don't think anybody in that

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payload community ever really thought

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they were dead uh they these guys like

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to use the monty python skit that they

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weren't quite ready to go in the wagon

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and be hauled out of town um and so they

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hung on and and did make it back and we

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do have them manifested so they're

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they're excited to fly um

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you know we talk a lot about the science

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that they're planning to do to me

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personally uh one of the things that

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they mentioned to us

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at a briefing a couple months ago was if

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you think about what we do with all the

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super collider work that we're doing in

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high energy physics um which kind of i

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i had a little background in that in

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college doing physics

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it's what you don't expect to learn that

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usually surprises you so the fact that

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that instrument's gonna be able to stay

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up there and have an operational life of

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of many years um i think they're gonna

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learn a lot that they plan to but it's

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the it's the chance that they're gonna

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find something they never even expected

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that that has them the most excited

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about finally getting on orbit and

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getting the business on station

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but um just

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recapping the history there i mean it it

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did require an addition of a couple of

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couple of missions to your manifest to

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uh or or wouldn't have

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ever made other shuttles out that right

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yeah it was hard to say looking back in

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hindsight did we specifically add a

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special mission just for ams or did we

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accommodate the payloads around it when

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you when you look at the purpose of

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making sure station was outfitted

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properly um

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you know we

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went back down seven eight years ago

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when we decided the number of flights

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yeah we had to add one more to put ams

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but but it's not to say that by the time

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we got closer we wouldn't have needed to

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add more anyway for logistics supply so

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so it's hard to say i'd hate to i'd hate

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to make it sound like yeah we definitely

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had to bring them back from death and

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add a new flight just for them

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that's what happened historically but

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but you know looking back on it it's

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kind of hard to tell that we did it

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exactly for that reason

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jay

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if the president if they wanted to bring

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air force one in during a countdown

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landed on the shuttle landing strip i

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assume you can take it out of the way so

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that it'll be parked

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clear of any

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rtls if that would be necessary and that

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he can take off uh you know after the

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launch after the rtls is cleared

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uh and also

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if during the year the first year six

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months following uh

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the

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flights

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is there any way if the uh need arose

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that you guys could put together another

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shuttle flight

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do you have another tank is anyway once

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it's done you're going to start is is

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that going to be final

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okay let's see relative to the to the

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president's visit again

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you know we've

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deconflicted both options

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so the rtls is not not an option not not

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an issue for us we've told them we

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prefer that that air force one is not on

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the slf

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um but again the final decision comes

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from them um and and we've worked very

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very hard to make sure that we can

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execute our full mission

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completely as safely as we always do so

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not a problem jay

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yeah they've been very understanding

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that this is an operational visit and

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they don't want to impact the operation

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that they're coming to visit in the

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first place

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the uh on your second question jay yeah

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we don't have any more hardware the

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atlantic's flight will be the last that

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um marcia done associated press if both

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mikes could answer there's another

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important guest coming congresswoman

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giffords um

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what's your thoughts on that are you are

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you pleased she's making it and is your

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lunch team in on in at risk of being

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distracted by all that surrounds that as

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well

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no you know again she's coming uh we

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treat that just like a crew family visit

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with the rest of the crew families she

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needs a little extra extra care and

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attention um and then there's going to

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be a lot of extra outside attention

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placed on it but from uh from what we're

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doing she's nasa family and we're

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treating her just like we do all the

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rest of the crew families um

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from the from the impact of the launch

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team if you if you'd actually talk to

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the launch team in the firing room um

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i don't know how many of them other than

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the fact that they know the families are

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around we don't ever see them we're on

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our consoles and and doing our jobs

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we're not wandering around the halls of

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the building um seeing people wandering

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through the building so from that

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standpoint it's not going to be a

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distraction to us um

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the only real impact is going to be the

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the extra traffic coming in and out of

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work um and uh and and so

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that's not a big deal so we're obviously

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very pleased he's coming to lunch and

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and and supporting mark and his flight

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um just like we're pleased that every

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every member of the family gets to come

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down here and witness uh witness that

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really the the majesty for lack of a

445
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better word of the liftoff of the

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shuttle it's a pretty impressive thing

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irene klopp's with reuters um i have two

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questions first concerning the obama's

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visit is there

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any chance that the that the president

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his family will actually be in the

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launch control center for launch

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well again we were taking all options

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under consideration and deconflicting

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every one of them and and uh different

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locations at the kennedy space center up

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up for grabs and we've worked every one

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of them so

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again until the plan is final we we

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don't even know where he's going to be

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exactly

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in my chair yeah fire him no

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i don't want to do his job and i'm sure

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he wouldn't want to do mine

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and also for uh for you mike um

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over the past few months you know we've

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all talked a lot about the uh

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you know just what it's like to kind of

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experience this end of this 30-year

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program and um

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uh

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i know there's been a kind of wide range

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of emotions well in the past two months

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since the last shuttle launch the

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shuttles have now been

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uh named you know where they're going to

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end up and is on display and the last

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layoff notices are out and i just was

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wondering if you can maybe just give us

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a little sense of

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where you and and your your friends and

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your work uh your colleagues out here

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are in terms of um

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accepting and and moving on to what what

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looks like still a kind of uncertain

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future

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well see just just one

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quick correction the final layoff

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notices are not out yet they don't go

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out

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this early but uh uh you know and

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talking to the various guys that i've

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worked with for many many years they're

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all getting their plans together

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i play golf with a lot of them and we

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always talk over over round of golf what

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their future plans are and and it seems

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like everybody's is first of all we're

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accepting of the fact you know we've

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said that before and and people are

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starting to get their their acts

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together where they're going to go after

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the shuttle program

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i'm on the contractor side if you're in

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one of the key positions there's there's

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quite a nice

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severance package

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and so it gives people a fair amount of

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time to make up their minds where they

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would end up after the shuttle program

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that's that's very good

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on the civil service side we've been

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we've been told that we will all still

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have jobs at the kennedy space center

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we're in the process of reorganizing the

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space center to certainly to a certain

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extent to deal with future customers and

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and the desire for future customers so

519
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we'll all end up

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having good jobs at the kennedy space

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center and

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the end of the program itself it you

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know they're coming one at a time

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discovery is now

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being taken apart uh and being safe

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for final display and that'll start on

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endeavor when she gets home so

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it's kind of it's kind of sad to see it

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end of course

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but again we're dealing with it and and

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i just hope the next program comes more

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quickly than a lot of people are

533
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okay uh jim siegel celebration

534
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independent newspaper i have two

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questions first uh have any

536
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modifications been made to the endeavor

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endeavor orbiter since its last mission

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um let's see uh

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it's had we've added the boundary layer

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dtos a test objective um discovery had

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uh the same thing we added it to

542
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endeavor it's a little uh bump tile we

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call it basically an intentional

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protrusion that sticks out into the

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airstream we put down on the bottom of

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the uh starboard wing

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and uh

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and this one's a half inch high just

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like we flew on on discovery with the

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intention to it as we're re-entering it

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at high mach numbers to trip that

552
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:45,200
boundary layer up at about mach 18 or so

553
00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:46,799
to an asymmetric flow condition which

554
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:48,400
has a little higher heating with the

555
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:50,960
turbulent flow behind it um just to try

556
00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:53,280
to characterize how that how that flies

557
00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:55,440
in that regime you know the shuttle's

558
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:56,720
pretty much the only vehicle flying at

559
00:17:59,590 --> 00:17:58,000
that speed

560
00:18:01,830 --> 00:17:59,600
we've had really great success with that

561
00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:01,840
for i think now four flights in a row on

562
00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:04,640
discovery um but more data is better so

563
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:06,720
we would have only had one flight with

564
00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:08,960
this this big bump at a half inch from

565
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:10,559
discovery so we decided we could add it

566
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,320
to endeavor quickly that would double

567
00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:14,160
our data set we've also had some

568
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:16,160
problems with some of the thermocouples

569
00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:18,000
dropping out through the plasma

570
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:19,840
on re-entry so we've modified a few of

571
00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:21,360
those thermocouples on this one so

572
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:23,120
that's really the only modification that

573
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:24,400
we made

574
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:26,559
per se to endeavor

575
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:28,400
some of the the the crew kit and the

576
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:29,840
manifest stuff that normal things that

577
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:32,000
we change out um have been changed but

578
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:33,360
nothing in the major vehicle

579
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:38,789
uh do you have any idea where

580
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:41,200
congressman giffords is going to be

581
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:44,880
watching this uh the flight from

582
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:46,480
let's see i would say kind of similar

583
00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:47,280
it's going to sound like we're talking

584
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:48,640
about the president's visit she goes

585
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:50,640
with the crew families and that location

586
00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:52,240
there's there's several options that

587
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:53,280
they could go

588
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:54,880
and i i don't know exactly what their

589
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:56,960
final pick was but uh but there's a

590
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:58,240
couple of different viewing locations

591
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,080
that the families typically go to should

592
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:02,160
be with them

593
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,320
um if it if it has i'm not privy to

594
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:06,640
those details sorry thank you

595
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:09,200
no bill harley cbs was two quick ones if

596
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:11,440
i could um is discovery got to the point

597
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:13,200
of no return yet mike i mean have you

598
00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:14,559
done invasive enough stuff that you

599
00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:16,240
couldn't put it back together

600
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:17,600
just just to know where that line in the

601
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,720
sand is

602
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,320
uh i wouldn't say it's to the point of

603
00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:22,320
no return yet we haven't cut a wing off

604
00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:25,600
or anything like that but uh

605
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:26,960
we are we are taking it apart we've

606
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:28,720
taken off uh all all three of the

607
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:30,880
orbital uh maneuvering system pods the

608
00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:32,240
two the two aft and afford and we're

609
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,440
sending them down to the hypergal

610
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,520
maintenance facility to be uh to be

611
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:37,440
completely clean things like that so i

612
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:39,360
wouldn't floatliners actuators that

613
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:40,720
shannon talks about pulling out of the

614
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:42,480
vehicle that would be the end when you

615
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:43,760
do that i'm just trying to understand

616
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:46,000
when that happens the flow is basically

617
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:47,280
we're about to finish up down mission

618
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:48,720
processing and they need to come back

619
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:50,160
they're going to actually once we get

620
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:51,440
this vehicle launched they're ready to

621
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,120
come tell the program officially that

622
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:55,120
down mission processing is now finished

623
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:56,480
and they're ready to move into the

624
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,240
transition retirement phase which will

625
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,559
start those activities so we haven't yet

626
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:02,000
started but we are

627
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:03,600
we are more than ready to and then we

628
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:04,880
will get that started probably in a week

629
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,880
or two and one for mike one more mike

630
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:08,000
linebacker you know mike you've said

631
00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:09,760
that you know you're so focused on

632
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,960
getting these things off the ground in

633
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:12,720
each flow but you really haven't

634
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:14,080
reflected on the end of the program the

635
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:15,520
way you probably will on the last flow

636
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,760
obviously but when you drive out here

637
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:19,200
you know and you see things does it

638
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:20,880
occur i mean i know you must be trying

639
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:22,559
to record this in your mind because it's

640
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:24,000
it's it really is the end of an error

641
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:25,679
for the shuttle and for a lot of you

642
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,360
guys have been doing this for so long

643
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:29,120
i'm just i'm just curious when you when

644
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:31,600
you have a moment to reflect

645
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:33,760
um what

646
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:35,440
what goes through your mind i mean stuff

647
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:36,640
goes through my mind for sure but i'm

648
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:37,840
just wondering about yours yeah i think

649
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:39,120
it goes through everybody's mind this

650
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,720
room has covered this program for some

651
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:42,480
time it uh

652
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:44,080
i went out to the launch pad a couple of

653
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,679
weeks ago and saw endeavor for the last

654
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:47,440
time in the vertical and uh you know

655
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,559
there were some times where i was

656
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,840
standing on the deck of the launcher

657
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:51,280
looking up at her and just thinking this

658
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:52,559
is the last time i'm going to see that

659
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:55,919
vehicle at this launch pad

660
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:58,159
ever and and that that begins to sink

661
00:21:01,270 --> 00:21:00,159
home the other thing that sinks home is

662
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,280
and i've talked about a little bit

663
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,080
before bill is is the workforce and the

664
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,919
effects to the workforce effects on the

665
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,440
workforce from the from the end of the

666
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:09,120
program principally on the contractor

667
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:10,480
side

668
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:12,400
a lot of my close friends are united

669
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:14,159
space alliance employees

670
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:15,200
and

671
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,000
said

672
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:26,159
and and by and large most of them are

673
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,840
going to be gone in another three or

674
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:29,600
four months this summer sometime this

675
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:32,000
summer whenever that final layoff really

676
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:33,360
hits

677
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,720
and so i see that i see the launch

678
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:36,480
control center which has been such a

679
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,720
such a beehive of activity

680
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,320
since it was built back in the apollo

681
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,960
days actually that's going to be

682
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:44,480
i won't say empty but it's gonna be a

683
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,679
heck of a lot more empty than it is

684
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:47,520
today and it'll be a lot less fun to be

685
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,120
working in because there won't just be

686
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,880
that that excitement of working on the

687
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:53,440
shuttle program anymore

688
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,799
we will be looking forward to the next

689
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,919
program the launch control center

690
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,440
hopefully will be used in the future and

691
00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:59,600
not too far from now

692
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:02,320
but it's a it's a stark reality when you

693
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:03,840
realize that your friends that you've

694
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,200
worked with or are moving on

695
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:09,039
they're all getting good jobs that type

696
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,080
of thing

697
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:12,320
but still it's it's it's like breaking

698
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,960
up a family it's it's it's tough to deal

699
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,320
with um

700
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,640
but we're moving on and and um we're

701
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:19,919
going to fly these last two missions

702
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,240
safely and bring the crews home and and

703
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:24,640
then that'll be it

704
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:25,679
clara

705
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,159
this is a question for both mr leinbach

706
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:33,039
and mr moses um it sounds like there's

707
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,240
going to be

708
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:36,640
really unusually huge uh crowd levels

709
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:38,240
coming out to see this launch on friday

710
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:39,760
and i wonder just what it means to both

711
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,120
of you that so many people are going to

712
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,840
come see endeavors last launch

713
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,159
well i think from a from a

714
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,400
from a human perspective trying to get

715
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,360
home after launch or scrub

716
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,679
it's going to it's going to be tough

717
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:55,760
what local law enforcement has told us

718
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,159
is that whatever whatever drive delay we

719
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,840
experience for the 133 launch it's going

720
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:01,679
to be about 50 percent longer this time

721
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,640
going home

722
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,720
and so it it's going to be and we're

723
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,320
telling people to bring a little cooler

724
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,919
with them right and put some snacks and

725
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,919
a coke in there or something

726
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,520
but it's going to be

727
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,760
it's going to be tough to get home

728
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:15,440
but when you think about why the people

729
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,720
are coming to experience something

730
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,400
that's uniquely american

731
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:20,000
and be able to see one of the last two

732
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:21,440
flights

733
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,400
that gives me a lot of pride

734
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,919
yeah i don't have i don't have much data

735
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:26,880
other than what mike said he said it

736
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:29,120
perfectly um but that's what i feel when

737
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,640
i see all these people and and even when

738
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,559
i'm stuck in traffic it doesn't bug me

739
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:34,559
because they're here to watch us do

740
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,400
something pretty cool

741
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,480
and and it's a real honor to be able to

742
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:40,080
launch the shuttle and

743
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:41,279
i'm really glad everybody does get to

744
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,950
mark ratterman with talking space i'm

745
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,120
not sure who to ask this question of but

746
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,039
regarding range safety how do you feel

747
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:53,120
what's your confidence level and

748
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,880
and good operation the range safety

749
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,720
process for this launch

750
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:58,080
i think you'll hear both mike and i say

751
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,679
the same thing we have 100 confidence in

752
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:01,360
that team they did everything right last

753
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,320
time they're going to do it all this

754
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:04,880
time we had good debriefs on both sides

755
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,200
of the house the air force and nasa side

756
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,039
we've improved some communication lines

757
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,880
just to make sure we really are

758
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,440
staying in sync and latched up and

759
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:15,120
no issues at all on the marine safety

760
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,080
side

761
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,159
ken kramer from space flight magazine uh

762
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,400
one question for each of the mics um

763
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:24,880
mike uh lineback can you tell us some

764
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:27,200
special memory you have you have um of

765
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:28,480
all the orbiters tell us something

766
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,799
special about endeavor and for mike

767
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:32,640
moses um you mentioned

768
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:35,840
srbs from sts-1 i wonder if that's by

769
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:38,720
design or or did you plan to have srbs

770
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,600
from

771
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:42,480
sts-1 on this mission thank you

772
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,840
let's see that

773
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,120
maybe one of the highlights of endeavor

774
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,120
for me was the first flow

775
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:49,200
when she first arrived and and to see a

776
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,799
brand new orbiter

777
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,880
in the uh orbiter processing facility

778
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,640
and the va be out the launch pad just a

779
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,799
beautiful beautiful machine

780
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:58,159
and then i had the privilege of being

781
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,919
the nasa test director for that flow and

782
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,200
and that was the last time we did a

783
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:03,120
flight readiness firing and preparing

784
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,720
for that test and seeing the main

785
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,240
engines light and then shut down 20

786
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,799
seconds later intentionally it was a

787
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,559
that was a big big test it proved the

788
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,480
system's ready to fly and and then we

789
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:14,000
launched i don't know about three or

790
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:15,279
four weeks later or something like that

791
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:18,080
as i recall i think the first flow um

792
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:21,039
will be remembered quite a bit and uh

793
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:22,559
and then and then the last time i went

794
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,990
and on the uh on the srb hardware i i

795
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,360
actually don't know the specifics of the

796
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,520
plan there there are people in the in

797
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,960
the solid rocket booster project who

798
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,799
manage those logistics and and i can't

799
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:36,320
say whether they they plan it this way

800
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,679
or not but uh

801
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:39,039
you know we have a lot of a lot of

802
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,120
hardware both in terms of forward skirts

803
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,679
outskirts and and casings um and they

804
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,440
get reused on a plan

805
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,279
um and it's there was probably some

806
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,520
technical driver uh to why we did it

807
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:52,000
usually we we more on logic than emotion

808
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:53,600
around here so so i'm sure there was

809
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,640
some reason why we picked that set of

810
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:56,159
hardware and it was the ready ready to

811
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,520
go hardware but i can't tell you

812
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,760
specifically

813
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,880
okay

814
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,400
gene mcculloch with talking space for

815
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,880
either mike weinbach or uh mike moses um

816
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:06,320
are there any plans to put that

817
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,080
protruding tile that we spoke about

818
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,240
earlier on atlantis

819
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,480
uh no so atlantis is staying the way it

820
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,720
is um we did we didn't need to to modify

821
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,159
that vehicle we uh we'll have enough

822
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:18,400
data from these two so we did not modify

823
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,909
todd uh todd halberson of florida today

824
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,080
for mike lineback i was i was just

825
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,559
wondering what your thoughts are about

826
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,000
um

827
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,400
about getting atlantis uh

828
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,400
to roost here in retirement and for mike

829
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,720
moses i was wondering what your thoughts

830
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,320
are about

831
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:42,480
johnson space center not getting one of

832
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:53,750
well let's say i'm the happy one um

833
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,159
let's see it it uh i told you before i

834
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,240
had to i had the privilege of seeing the

835
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:00,240
uh the plans for the display of an

836
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:01,840
orbiter over to our visitor center and

837
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,559
it is just a fabulous design

838
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:06,320
it will take several years to complete

839
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:07,120
but

840
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,960
once it's complete and you're going to

841
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,480
be able to see atlantis up close and

842
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:12,080
personal

843
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:13,760
that'll that'll be like having having

844
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,159
her back again to a certain extent so

845
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:18,240
extremely happy that kennedy space

846
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,520
center visitor center gets one of the

847
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,200
orbiters

848
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:23,520
and let's see for me you know i i'm i'm

849
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:24,880
while still badged at johnson space

850
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,760
center i've been living here for the

851
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:27,279
last three years so i'm also very

852
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,559
pleased that kennedy gets to keep an

853
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,159
orbiter um

854
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,919
as a houston resident former houston

855
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,520
resident i wish one would be going there

856
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,840
too uh but i'll i'll say something here

857
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:37,600
that that does not mean i'm trying to

858
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,480
run for politics after this but to be to

859
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,480
be fair right the the the nation the

860
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,159
people who work on the space program

861
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:45,840
know and love these orbiters both both

862
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,120
here in in huntsville and in houston out

863
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:51,440
in california at the palmdale plant in

864
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:54,320
boeing and the old rockwell folks

865
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,520
i could go to stennis space center you

866
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,960
know distributed around the country

867
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,880
those folks really do know and love the

868
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,240
shuttle

869
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,799
the chance to send this same

870
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,240
thing somewhere else in the country to

871
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:07,120
try to garner the same enthusiasm to me

872
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,960
is it actually a very noble purpose and

873
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,960
a really good idea so so i'm personally

874
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:12,159
pleased to see them going around the

875
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:13,120
country

876
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,720
you know we could have probably had 15

877
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,159
orbiters which would have been really

878
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,399
cool to been flying them but

879
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,919
but i don't think our budget gets set by

880
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:21,120
where they need to go to the museums

881
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,559
afterwards so you know i wish we could

882
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:24,080
do more obviously you always wish you

883
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:25,360
could do more but i know as a kid

884
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,399
growing up

885
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,320
being able to visit certain areas you

886
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,080
know are you a tourist going to a space

887
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:31,840
destination then yeah you're probably

888
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,200
going to visit houston but are you just

889
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,360
a tourist in america then going to

890
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,960
california or new york you're definitely

891
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,799
going to get to see some space hardware

892
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:40,159
i know i've been on the intrepid a whole

893
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,520
lot growing up with my grandparents

894
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,120
living in new york city and it helped

895
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:46,000
inspire me uh and so you know personally

896
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,960
um

897
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:48,080
everybody's gonna be disappointed

898
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,039
everybody's gonna be excited and you're

899
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,200
never gonna please anybody so uh it's a

900
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:53,200
decent mix and and you know

901
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,559
if i was picking i'd probably pick a

902
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,559
little different but i'm thank god i'm

903
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:59,279
not picking and uh and we'll be fine

904
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,080
with what we got so

905
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,919
uh what a question for either mike but

906
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:05,279
you're talking about how the drive time

907
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,320
home is gonna be long is there any

908
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,760
what's the latest thinking on scrub

909
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:09,279
turnaround if you get down close and

910
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,559
don't make it and

911
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,159
the ability of the team to get back for

912
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:14,000
a 24-hour recycle

913
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,679
yeah so what mike and i mike and i

914
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,240
agreed to is that we'll the conditions

915
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:19,840
of the day will dictate what the 24

916
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,720
48-hour script turnaround posture is

917
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:24,960
all things being equal if we scrub late

918
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:29,039
for unexpected weather kathy or

919
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,799
or some or some technical issue that

920
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,480
comes up late that could be solved in a

921
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,880
24 or 48 we just need to talk on launch

922
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,960
day what what what the best plan for the

923
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:39,120
orbiter is what the best plan for the

924
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,480
weather is and the best plan for the

925
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,320
team and we'll weigh those three those

926
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,120
three components and then pick um

927
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:46,799
i can tell you driving home is going to

928
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:48,159
be is going to be a challenge and then

929
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:49,760
that's going to factor into our decision

930
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,080
this time more so than ever in the past

931
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,640
press um two quick questions you have

932
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:58,559
what's the latest law enforcement crowd

933
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,600
count expected uh in brevard county and

934
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:03,600
if there is a scrub have you had it been

935
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:06,159
informed whether the president would

936
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,200
come back

937
00:30:11,789 --> 00:30:09,440
for another try

938
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:11,799
the uh the estimate from

939
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,200
sts-133's launch was 400 000

940
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:16,880
in the surrounding communities not that

941
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,520
doesn't include the people out here

942
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:21,840
and and the best estimate right now is

943
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:23,440
somewhere between five hundred thousand

944
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,640
and seven hundred and fifty thousand

945
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,399
and our numbers on base out here only

946
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,480
went up fifteen hundred or so so it's

947
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,320
not the people out here that we're

948
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:34,720
worried about it's the clog of the roads

949
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,070
i haven't heard that yeah i haven't even

950
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,080
asked that question frankly okay just

951
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:46,159
wondering

952
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:47,520
james

953
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:51,039
leinbach as we're kind of trying to

954
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:52,480
differentiate between these vehicles as

955
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,559
they're coming up to final flights um

956
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,799
do you characterize endeavor uh in in

957
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:01,120
any way uh apart from from the other

958
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,320
orbiters uh

959
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:04,159
the fact that it's the youngest or any

960
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:05,120
any other

961
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:08,000
aspects of how it's flown and processed

962
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,960
well

963
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,799
the orbiters themselves are pretty much

964
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,320
alike as as you know there are some

965
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,919
idiosyncrasies that are different but

966
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,919
the thing that sets them apart are the

967
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:18,080
different processing teams and the

968
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,919
leadership of those teams and i can tell

969
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,000
you the endeavor team has a very dynamic

970
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,480
leadership team in place and and uh it's

971
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,000
fun to go over their scheduling meetings

972
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,559
and and play with them a little bit

973
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:30,960
so it's it's the team's difference in

974
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,640
style i think is is the main difference

975
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:36,799
okay second row please steve kessinger

976
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:38,960
with maple gate media from the mics with

977
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:41,200
the final flight of sts-135 is it

978
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,799
possible that all three orbiters will be

979
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,960
brought up for a photo opportunity or is

980
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,480
that just not going to be logistically

981
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,919
possible

982
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:49,679
we don't have any plans to do that you

983
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,320
know

984
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:52,240
our transition retirement budget you

985
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:53,039
know

986
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:54,080
folks

987
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:55,440
there's a lot of things we'd love to do

988
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,720
people asking us to fly around the

989
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,880
country take tours and all that stuff

990
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,559
and we'd love to do it but we have no

991
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,240
money for it and we're given a budget to

992
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,840
fly the shuttle and we're using that

993
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:05,760
money to finish flying the shuttle we

994
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,240
have a very very very small budget to

995
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,399
then decommission and safe them for

996
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:12,399
display so

997
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:13,440
you know they're not going to have any

998
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,760
ohms pods or or ford rcs modules they

999
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,440
wouldn't look too pretty in a in a shot

1000
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:19,279
anyway but no we don't have any plans to

1001
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,760
set up a photo op

1002
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:23,279
okay um

1003
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,029
okay uh in the back please

1004
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,000
uh todd halverson of florida today again

1005
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:38,640
uh is there any truth to the rumor that

1006
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:41,519
you plan to launch atlantis on the 4th

1007
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:42,720
of july

1008
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:43,840
and

1009
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:46,640
also i was wondering if there is any

1010
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:50,080
possibility that you would target a last

1011
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,240
landing at edwards air force base so

1012
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,120
that you could tour the orbiter on the

1013
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,279
way back home

1014
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,559
so uh

1015
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,799
no no i don't know there's a thousand

1016
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,559
rumors about the launch date of atlantis

1017
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,960
so i don't know which ones are true um

1018
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,880
we uh we are currently planning for the

1019
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,039
28th of june and that is still the plan

1020
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,640
we know we're a little tight on the

1021
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,320
processing schedules in terms of the

1022
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:14,159
contingency days we have

1023
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,519
because of the workforce reductions

1024
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,880
we've taken

1025
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,559
we've we've limited the amount of crews

1026
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,159
we have and basically

1027
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,600
as one example in the payloads world

1028
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:23,600
we're down to one single team that that

1029
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,039
installs the payload into the payload

1030
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:27,600
bay and so if they ran long uh they'd

1031
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,559
have to go home at the end of their

1032
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,760
workday and then come in the next day as

1033
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,120
opposed to having a second shift team

1034
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:33,200
that could keep up the operations so

1035
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,320
because of that we like to have a

1036
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,480
contingency day or two after we put the

1037
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:38,399
payload in the bay just in case

1038
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,919
and again i'm not picking on the payload

1039
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,760
just saying that's one example so we

1040
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,279
don't quite have enough contingency days

1041
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:44,799
for me to be a hundred percent

1042
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:47,440
comfortable um so the team uh the

1043
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:48,799
atlantis team has been working some

1044
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,919
options uh we we've been redoing the

1045
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,000
schedule so the 628 schedule looks

1046
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:56,000
supportable uh the crew training has

1047
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:57,360
also been a little bit of an issue

1048
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,720
they've had some extra russian training

1049
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:00,240
that they've had to take uh and we're

1050
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,760
working in the schedule to see what we

1051
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:03,600
have to keep what we can what we can do

1052
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:04,640
in parallel

1053
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,919
once we get this mission launched

1054
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,279
because truly one of the big drivers to

1055
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:09,440
that schedule is this one um then we're

1056
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,800
going to sit down and look at where we

1057
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,560
currently stand and decide if the 28th

1058
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:15,119
is good maybe we need a day or two maybe

1059
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,639
we need a little more than that so no

1060
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,960
there's no official target to move us to

1061
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:21,280
4th of july or any other date in july

1062
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,639
we're still trying to do our best to

1063
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,720
keep 628

1064
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,919
but just like we do with every mission

1065
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:28,159
we'll once we get it in the in the prime

1066
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:29,520
ready to go slot we'll take a look at

1067
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:31,119
what it really needs to do

1068
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:32,720
as far as targeting the landing at

1069
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,919
edwards

1070
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:35,040
you know it's one of those things we've

1071
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,560
been asked to do a lot

1072
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,480
but the same reasons why we don't do it

1073
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,839
with any other orbiters is why we're not

1074
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,359
doing it with this one is it's full of

1075
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:43,359
hazardous commodities uh we don't want

1076
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,879
to tour it across the country with all

1077
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:46,560
the engines loaded up the hypergals in

1078
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,280
it

1079
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,960
all the all the pressurized systems

1080
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,960
that's just not a safe thing to do

1081
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:52,159
so

1082
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,599
like i said the headquarters is working

1083
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,599
a plan when we ferry the orbiters for

1084
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,520
final display maybe that would be the

1085
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,359
time to do a little bit of a pr tour

1086
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:01,119
with them but but while they're still in

1087
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:02,400
an operational state we're not going to

1088
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:03,599
do that

1089
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,720
okay we had another follow-up in the

1090
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,320
back

1091
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,920
uh gene mcculloch with talking space

1092
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,599
again for either mike moses or mike

1093
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,680
weinbach um this is a question with

1094
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,280
reference to the final disposition of

1095
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,200
the orbiters uh new york is getting

1096
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,359
enterprise and folks over in the new

1097
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,680
york areas or at least some anyhow are

1098
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:21,119
characterizing enterprise that they

1099
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,920
quote fake orbiter or a hand-me-down or

1100
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:25,680
something like that what would you go

1101
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:28,079
ahead and say to folks like that

1102
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,359
well i guess the first thing i'd say is

1103
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:31,440
i i certainly don't take uh one or two

1104
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,480
people writing an opinion in the

1105
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,839
newspapers representing the entire

1106
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,160
region so i i'm not going to put much

1107
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,480
weight in any of those comments um not

1108
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,480
slamming you guys in your jobs but um

1109
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,000
but you know it's it's the media and

1110
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,800
what chooses to become news and and so

1111
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,040
you know enterprise was a it was a

1112
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:49,680
landmark uh vehicle a test bed for us

1113
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:51,680
did all the approach and land tests uh

1114
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,839
it uh it is not a space orbiter and it

1115
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,359
was never designed to be but it

1116
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,040
certainly did exactly what it was was

1117
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,200
intended to be i've actually visited it

1118
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,359
up at the air and space museum in dc and

1119
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,920
it's a pretty cool ship to see um as

1120
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,440
somebody who works with the the space

1121
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,040
orbiters you do look right away and go

1122
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,200
go that doesn't look the same and and it

1123
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,200
doesn't it was built a long time ago and

1124
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,520
we've changed the design a little bit

1125
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,440
but but it is every bit as important to

1126
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:17,200
this shuttle program as as atlantis

1127
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:19,760
discovery and endeavor are

1128
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:20,720
robert

1129
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,640
for mike moses

1130
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:26,720
i think uh in the run-up to the last

1131
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,599
mission uh you said that um you hadn't

1132
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:31,359
had a chance to

1133
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,560
talk to the museums because they hadn't

1134
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,920
been selected yet and now they've been

1135
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,920
selected i think museum representatives

1136
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,240
came here earlier this month

1137
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:40,000
can you describe how that meeting went

1138
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:41,520
and if there were any particular

1139
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,240
requests on the behalf of the eventual

1140
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,000
shuttle recipients on

1141
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,079
what they wanted with their orbiters

1142
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,400
yes roberts they were here um i think

1143
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:52,000
it's now been two weeks maybe it was a

1144
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:53,760
week ago i can't quite remember

1145
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,320
we basically showed them uh we took them

1146
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,760
on a tour got to see what we have talked

1147
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,440
about what our plans are

1148
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,520
defined again specifically what the end

1149
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,000
state that that we plan on leaving the

1150
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,520
orbiter in and then we need their

1151
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,440
requirements to to what display state

1152
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:09,680
they would like the orbiter to be in

1153
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:10,720
they should kind of showed us some

1154
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:11,920
preliminary ideas with what they're

1155
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:14,960
thinking for display ideas we we got a

1156
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,280
handle on transportation impacts

1157
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,200
both in terms of air transport to their

1158
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,520
site and then local ground transport or

1159
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,520
or see transport

1160
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,119
from that landing site down to their

1161
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:27,920
final display site um i if i had to sum

1162
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,920
it up in one word it was a little bit of

1163
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,440
um

1164
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,960
it was definitely a learning experience

1165
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,040
to see just exactly the magnitude of

1166
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,040
what they're actually getting now and

1167
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:38,880
what it takes to to to handle one of

1168
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,359
those things um an example being a lot

1169
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,440
of the display ideas show the orbiter

1170
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,920
kind of suspended or up in at an angle

1171
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,599
and and the recognition that the payload

1172
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:49,520
doors can't hold their own weight open

1173
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,560
and so you're going to need handling

1174
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,880
equipment to hold the doors open the rms

1175
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,880
the robot arm if it's out and displayed

1176
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,720
it also can't hold its own weight and

1177
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,320
needs to be somehow modified so there's

1178
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,160
a lot of work that will have to be done

1179
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,680
to aesthetically make it look the way

1180
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,359
they want to work that we are not

1181
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,359
planning on doing as part of the the end

1182
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,599
state safing requirements so so a lot of

1183
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,599
learning going on on both sides um and

1184
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,800
it was a very good kickoff meeting but

1185
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,000
we still have a lot of work to do the

1186
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,920
plan is in the next month or two

1187
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,760
to have that finalized to the point

1188
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,680
where we now know what to go start

1189
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,680
discoveries is one of the easier ones

1190
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,599
the aerospace museum has a pretty good

1191
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,760
idea how they want to display

1192
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:25,760
discovery and so what we do to that

1193
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,760
vehicle is pretty well worked out the

1194
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:29,359
transportation plan is already pretty

1195
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,880
well worked out as well

1196
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,160
it really helps that they sit on the end

1197
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,920
of a very long runway and so we don't

1198
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,119
have to do too much there other than get

1199
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:37,920
some cranes uh to work and on that note

1200
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:38,880
you know one of the things we're doing

1201
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,200
on our side the last time we used cranes

1202
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:42,720
to move an orbiter off the back of the

1203
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,240
747 was about 20 25 years ago and so

1204
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,760
we've brought those procedures back out

1205
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,960
we've got that hardware back out of

1206
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,480
storage we're actually going to set it

1207
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,200
up next month out at the slf and we're

1208
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:54,720
not going to bring an sca in or lift an

1209
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,839
actual orbiter but we're going to put

1210
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,280
the sling together and we're going to

1211
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,800
use smaller cranes than what we normally

1212
00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:00,000
use there's only a couple of the big

1213
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,599
cranes we need in the country we don't

1214
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:03,119
want to tie those up but we're going to

1215
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,480
basically go drive around that to make

1216
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:06,079
sure we understand

1217
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,520
two or three years from now how we need

1218
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,839
to go execute those crane lifts to be

1219
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,440
able to get the gorge to the display

1220
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,839
side so it was basically it was the

1221
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:15,359
linchpin that that kind of kick-started

1222
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,040
the engine and let us now start actually

1223
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,960
working what we're good at which is

1224
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:20,400
building plans and executing them as

1225
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,839
opposed to this this kind of

1226
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:23,040
hypothetical one which we couldn't

1227
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:24,640
really do until we named sites and so

1228
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:27,599
now that teams off and running

1229
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:28,720
jay

1230
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,520
mike i don't really think i have to ask

1231
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:35,839
you this question but

1232
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:36,640
uh

1233
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,280
the president's going to be here

1234
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,520
will you even consider pushing the

1235
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,680
envelope or taking any chance that you

1236
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,599
normally wouldn't take

1237
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:47,119
just to get

1238
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,720
endeavour off the pad while the

1239
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:50,800
president's here

1240
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,670
ken did you have a follow-up

1241
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,359
thank you ken kramer for space flight

1242
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:04,000
magazine uh for either mike um just

1243
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,599
wondering if you know the status of this

1244
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,839
usa proposal to fly one or two of the

1245
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,079
orbiters one or two missions a year if

1246
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,319
that's still alive or is that dead

1247
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:13,599
because i'm wondering about the

1248
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:15,920
decommissioning of of the next two

1249
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,079
orbiters would they is there any chance

1250
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,240
you might delay that to consider this

1251
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:22,160
usa proposal or

1252
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,920
are you going to fully uh decommission

1253
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,839
the orbiters thanks um so let's see i've

1254
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:27,200
said it a couple times that that

1255
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,800
proposal is being run by the united

1256
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,160
space alliance and a contractor

1257
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,920
consortium not nasa has nothing to do

1258
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:33,440
with it so they're whether they're going

1259
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:35,200
to continue that proposal or not i i do

1260
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,760
not know you'd have to ask them um they

1261
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,880
understand the timelines and the

1262
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,240
schedules that we're on and and their

1263
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,680
proposals would take those into

1264
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,599
consideration so again this is this is

1265
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,599
not a nasa study to do this this is a

1266
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,359
contractor proposal just like we've

1267
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:49,599
asked for uh it's in response to a nasa

1268
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,400
request for commercial crew options and

1269
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,000
ways to fly you just saw we awarded our

1270
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,720
cc dev two contracts to four companies

1271
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,960
um there's a ccdev3 that's going to come

1272
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,880
out in a little bit so if they want to

1273
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:02,400
compete in that world they can they

1274
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:03,440
understand the timelines and the

1275
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,720
restrictions

1276
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,680
but nasa's not involved in any of that

1277
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:10,319
okay time for one last follow-up with

1278
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:11,359
jim

1279
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:15,599
newspaper are there any particular

1280
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:18,079
commemorative payloads or other

1281
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:19,680
materials that have been put on this

1282
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,240
flight since it's its last flight

1283
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,040
let's see i i uh i know on discovery we

1284
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:28,000
flew a a mission kit of some end of

1285
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,599
program patches to be able to give to

1286
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,839
all the employees at the end i don't i

1287
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,680
think we're flying a couple we're not

1288
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,880
nearly as many as we've flown discovery

1289
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,560
i think endeavors carrying a few as well

1290
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,319
but uh but other than that nothing

1291
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,319
that's a particular dedicated uh

1292
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,000
commemorative event uh you know we fly

1293
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:43,920
an official mission kit all the time so

1294
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:45,760
there's flags and patches and other

1295
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,880
things um probably a couple extra to to

1296
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:51,040
commemorate into program stuff but but

1297
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:52,480
nothing that i can recall top my head

1298
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,150
that will conclude today's pre-launch

1299
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:02,640
news conference for the sts-134

1300
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,520
mission

1301
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:05,040
please join us tomorrow on nasa

1302
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:07,599
television for at 10 a.m eastern time

1303
00:42:11,950 --> 00:42:10,000
for the l minus one countdown status

1304
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:11,960
briefing for more information on the

1305
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:25,190
shuttle thank you